From: vince@offshore.ai (Vincent Cate)
Newsgroups: sci.space.tech
Subject: Re: Cheap, easy to handle fuels/oxidizers
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henry@spsystems.net (Henry Spencer) wrote in message news:<HK6qtM.Fsx@spsystems.net>...
> N2O, nitrous oxide, is what I meant.
> 
> Its performance is better than you would think based on its small oxygen
> content, because it also has quite significant stored energy.

The combination of Nitrous-Oxide(N2O) and Propane(C3H8) seems
interesting.  It seems to have a high ISP.  Both self pressurize, and
are relatively safe and easy to handle.  At the URL below they say "an
ISP of 230 at sea level, 290 at high elevation".   I have not verified
this, but if accurate, that is rather good. Anyone else have ISP
numbers?

    http://web.wt.net/~markgoll/rse3.htm

Somewhere I found that propane has a pressure of 124 PSI at 70° F. I
think Nitrous Oxide is about 750 PSI at room temp.  Seems like we use
the N20 to cool the engine (since it has extra pressure) and run the
engine with just 124 PSI feeds.  Or maybe a simple pump that uses some
of the extra pressure from the N2O to increase the pressure on the
propane.

Not needing separate tanks to pressurize the Nitrous-oxide or Propane
simplifies things a little.

As a guy who thinks the rocket only need to get to about 5 km/sec and
then tethers/ion-drives can do the rest, the N2O/Propane seems like it
has a high enough ISP and would be easier/safer than most
fuels/oxidizers.

But is this ISP of 290 seconds real?  Can we get that at 100 PSI?

   -- Vince

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